339 is ALUMINUM and NOT Ceramic

Jan 05, 2011,08:56 AM
 

339 is NOT a ceramic watch. It's aluminum treated by a chemical process. I would wanna see others dunk theirs first call me chicken. However, it sounds a bit flimsy... if it is not beer proof.

PANERAI - Composite
Ceramic is a material characterized by a combination of metal and non-metal atoms. Known and used by man for centuries, it can also be produced artificially through simple processes or extremely sophisticated methods, which allow high-performance materials to be synthesized.

In the field of watch-making, some types of ceramic like synthetic sapphire or rubies (both varieties of Aluminium Oxide - Al2O3) have already been in use for some time as they satisfy specific requirements of hardness and reliability. In addition, ceramic has established itself as one of the most interesting and successful materials for the creation of cases and other watch components traditionally made from metal.

Panerai Composite is the new material introduced into fine watch-making for the first time by Officine Panerai. Employed up until now in the aeronautic industry and for the creation of automotive and motorcycle components that require a particularly high level of performance, Panerai Composite is obtained through an electrochemical process of ceramization of the aluminium, resulting in a material with unique features.

CHARACTERISTICS AND PERFORMANCE
Panerai Composite is a material harder and lighter than the ceramics commonly used in watchmaking to manufacture cases (zirconia, ZrO2), but is also harder than metals such as aluminium, steel and titanium.

These characteristics make Panerai Composite an ideal material for the creation of watch cases as it guarantees comfort, great aesthetic qualities it can be synthesized in various colours, resistance to knocks, scratches and high temperatures.

Furthermore, Panerai Composite is ductile, allowing for complex geometries and processing, and is inert, so it does not change its structure or appearance over time.

THE CERAMIZATION PROCESS
The ceramization process of aluminium leading to the synthesis of Panerai Composite is not similar to any other techniques currently in use in the watch-making industry. In traditional coating processes in fact, layers of ceramic dust are applied onto metal and only the topmost surface of the case is involved in the process itself.

With Panerai Composite, the aluminium cases are immersed in a chemical bath where, thanks to a conductive liquid and to the electricity which generates extremely high temperatures (up to 10,000°C), the metal undergoes an electrochemical process that profoundly modifies its structure while still allowing it to remain faithful to the original geometry. The result of this process depends on many factors, including the solution used, the immersion times, the material and the shape of the piece being worked on.

Before being mounted on a Panerai watch, each case undergoes finishing and is put through a series of tests that certify its aesthetic and technical qualities. The result is a material that is extremely homogeneous, solid, of matt appearance and soft to the touch.

The entire ceramization process is totally environment-friendly: the only working residue is, in fact, the hydrogen which separates from the oxygen molecules that become integrated into the case.


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PAM 339, Water Resistant but Not Champagne Resistant

 
 By: kys1944 : January 3rd, 2011-03:59
While the 292 has ceramic, the 339 is a composite and was told when wearing the watch to avoid alcohol contact... we have seen enough posts with Pam lovers dunking their watches into a glass of beer... what gives? Colour will fade so I was told.

While i have not dunked mine into a glass of champagne before

 
 By: BluNotte : January 3rd, 2011-05:25
I don't think it will fade with alcohol as i have gotten mine cleaned with benzene before, and so far nothing has changed. Cheers! Stephen

Benzene!

 
 By: diluted magnetics : January 4th, 2011-20:38
That's really brave Stephen! I don't think benzene will harm your watch, but it is really toxic to humans. Take care

That is a little hard to beleive

 
 By: grigo : January 3rd, 2011-07:11
I don't beleive that this watcg that is in ceramic and is not a composite changes due to a contact with any kind of substance. Any idea where this information came from? Best regards, George

Phew,,,, I;m lucky.. not only have I no chance to get one, but I don't drink alcohol...OH.

 
 By: Miranda : January 3rd, 2011-07:14
BUT WAIT...I have on order the 386..... and what about COLA????????? damn.... Imran

Buy a real watch! :)))

 
 By: amanico : January 3rd, 2011-07:57
Tribute To Polaris 68, from " La Grande Maison ". Champagne, Beer and Water Resistant, tested by myself. Best, Nicolas....  

Witnessed myself :0)))

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : January 3rd, 2011-10:34
and we have another witness... btw where he is lately... got lost in bluest of the blue dials :0)) Best Damjan

still love this pic

 
 By: aldossari_faisal : January 3rd, 2011-13:44
if im not mistaken its from the summer trip, no?! Faisal

you're wrong

 
 By: wachauat : April 26th, 2011-05:00
I have the Polaris, and it can be damaged by alcohol. Just use "nobite" bugspray - the glass of the Ploaris, which is actually synthetic, melts away and becomes milky. I estimate every alcohol or other dissolves will do the same. Greetings

I am checking sources but this is a bit odd...

 
 By: kys1944 : January 3rd, 2011-09:57
I have gotten mine and was told to never have the watch come into contact with any form of nail polisher, alcohol wipe, swaps... and definitely don't spill champagne and alcohol on it. I was puzzled as well because given it being a harder than ceramic ste...  

Sounds like complete rubbish, kys...

 
 By: BDLJ : January 4th, 2011-16:47
...I cannot think of any circumstances where the coating on the 339 might be vulnerable to alcohol. I wouldn't be concerned about your watch, dunk away! The coating on the 339 was developed in the metals industry to provide a way of effectively covering a... 

339 is ALUMINUM and NOT Ceramic

 
 By: kys1944 : January 5th, 2011-08:56
339 is NOT a ceramic watch. It's aluminum treated by a chemical process. I would wanna see others dunk theirs first call me chicken. However, it sounds a bit flimsy... if it is not beer proof. PANERAI - Composite Ceramic is a material characterized by a c... 

I didn't intend to...

 
 By: BDLJ : January 5th, 2011-15:01
imply that your post was rubbish. Rather that whomever told you it was vulnerable to alcohol was talking rubbish. Apologies if it came across that way. And I certainly didn't call you chicken! My post actually states what the press release above mentions,... 

Let's hope you are right!

 
 By: kys1944 : January 6th, 2011-09:57

Interesting point about the composite..

 
 By: colantotte : January 3rd, 2011-10:32
Hope OP can shed some light on this. I assume they are built with some degree of durability and toughness, considering it is a water resistance of up to 100m, and I am assuming the composite material is resistant to sea water too.. Best regards,

I'm sure it has boosted champagne sales

 
 By: Mech : January 3rd, 2011-15:12
a little by now I read somewhere the 339 has self-healing miracle to some scratch ? Gee, talking about mysteries of this watch ?

I've heard the same thing....

 
 By: i_am_Sam : January 3rd, 2011-15:50
And it's quite surprising.. I'd love to hear more about this... Best, Sam...  

source is at a pamerai boutique

 
 By: timlua : January 5th, 2011-01:30
while at the boutique and viewing the 339, thats exactly what we r told. im not a chemist or expert in that matter, nor do i own a 339 ...yet. but thats what we were told. im on the list for 1. cheers tim

Maybe soon a 339 dunked into BEER for cheers will appear

 
 By: kys1944 : January 5th, 2011-01:56
let's see, who wants to go first!? It's funny how they claim to have come up with a lighter and harder material that is not BEER PROOF!

Hmmmm.....

 
 By: J-Mac : January 10th, 2011-21:13
I wholeheartedly agree that the ceramic coating will resist any contact with alcohol (and a lot of other more corrosive things). However, we need to stop and think about all the possibilities (and I believe Panerai is also). ------------------------------... 

Very good post, J-mac

 
 By: BDLJ : January 10th, 2011-22:39
I agree with that analysis. I haven't done any impact tests or similar on a Microplasmic coated chunk of aluminium, but I suspect you're right in terms of the M&M analogy. As you wrote, the most insidious failure would be cracks in the surface invisib... 

My 2 cents

 
 By: water334 : April 30th, 2011-13:25
Hi, I'm sorry I'm not a big contributor to this forum but it just so happens that I do have personal experience on this topic. It is true that when I purchased my 339 from the boutique I was told not to have it in contact with any type of alcohol. The pro... 

Can you post the photos of your faded 339?

 
 By: gasterus : May 22nd, 2011-05:47
I've thought of getting the 339, but if it is so vulnerable i would definitely think twice.