The future direction depends on goals

Oct 28, 2014,04:12 AM
 

Hi Nicolas,

To return to the original query, I do believe that history and detail matter more than size alone to core Panerai buyers and the soul of the brand.

The question of future prospects requires context; what are the brand's long-term goals?  Do they want to consolidate and hold steady at their already phenomenal 75K+ annual volume? Do they wish to go upmarket and hold or reduce volume as price and target buyer move upscale? Or do they wish to double their volumes again over the next five years?

The problem of future identity is tied to the fact that every Richemont company seems intent on unlimited sales growth. This is not a bad goal per se, but it becomes a problem when brand identity and imagination aren't firmly institutionalized first. Patek and Rolex grow, but they never risk overproduction, they do a good job of maintaining brand equity, and they have a broader past and present product portfolio to drive the growth. Plus, their growth has been gradual over decades, expressed in small percentage gains, not orders of magnitude in one decade as with Panerai.

Frame of reference matters. Rolex made over 600,000 watches per year in 2000, and they build close to 1,000,000 per year now, but that kind of growth makes sense in percentage terms. JLC went from about 40,000 to 65-70,000 in the same period. Panerai probably tripled, at the very least. That's Kudzu-like growth, not sustainable in the long term and dangerous to brand image.

Panerai went from a few hundred pieces per year in the early 90s to tens of thousands in the 2000s to the point where six figures seems like the short-term goal. If the company were to decide that very simple dials, legibility, and two basic cases are its DNA, then steady and occasionally stagnant growth would be a realistic goal. There's no shame in staying true to your roots and knowing your market. But it's a challenge to take a 20,000-unit portfolio concept to a 100,000-unit concept. At some point, duplication and dilution become problems if innovation lags.

At the rate it's going, Panerai's production seems to be running ahead of its ability to innovate (rather than simply issue what amount to tributes to watches built 10-15 years ago). I feel that this trend, rather than the loss of the size advantage, is what is taking the energy out of many collectors' enthusiasm for the brand.

Best,

Tim
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Almost every brand nowadays makes large watches as large as a Panerai

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : October 27th, 2014-19:58
Panerai's "cool factor" was the large size and how it felt on the wrist. Do you think Panerai is losing its uniqueness now that you can find a 44mm size or larger watch from practically most brands now? For me personally, I do feel this uniqueness is almo...  

OK, I'll bite...

 
 By: Tim_M : October 27th, 2014-20:23
... and I do agree that there is less and less charisma in the Panerai line. While volumes have increased by orders of magnitude, the innovation of the models has not increased proportionately. But I don't think size along is the source of the brand's app... 

+1, here is my story with the brand

 
 By: ik2000 : October 27th, 2014-23:15
I pretty much agree with everything you said Tim... This is my story, and it might help to show my views on the matter. My first nice watch was an IWC portuguese chrono, lets say around 2006, I loved it, beautiful shape of the case, size, nice legibility ... 

Yup exactly

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : October 28th, 2014-09:49
With the other brands, for example JLC, they have both small and large watches. They've evolved to include larger sized watches to offer more variety. For Panerai, it's always been large and there isn't enough variety for me - and even more so since there... 

It is not only about the size, the size being just a part of the design, or DNA.

 
 By: amanico : October 28th, 2014-00:02
It is also about the shape of the cases, the design of the dial, the crown protector ( or not, as no one can dispute the fact that the Radiomir is a true Panerai ). Panerai is not unique anymore through the size of the case, I agree. But it is much more t... 

The future direction depends on goals

 
 By: Tim_M : October 28th, 2014-04:12
Hi Nicolas, To return to the original query, I do believe that history and detail matter more than size alone to core Panerai buyers and the soul of the brand. The question of future prospects requires context; what are the brand's long-term goals? Do the... 

I hear you perfectly, Tim. That is why it is maybe time for Panerai to start exploring the

 
 By: amanico : October 28th, 2014-06:35
Possibility of producing a new case, a really new case, I mean. Which could host some horological content, without being ridiculous. Such as a Minute Repeater in a military Watch.... But I agree with you, Panerai DNA is for me a brilliant marketting conce... 

Your last line says everything...

 
 By: Ale (aka Fuciliere) : October 28th, 2014-12:59
"As I said, Panerai is much more than the size of the case" ...there's not much I can add...history and DNA go far beyond millimeters...

If a person just buys...

 
 By: sergio : October 28th, 2014-00:50
a watch for its size, you're quite right, it's all getting rather confusing. On the other hand, if you but a watch for all sorts of different reasons, the fact that..others..make similar products shouldn't effect one that much. I buy Panerai for their qui... 

Panerai is Panerai based on the clean and functional dial IMO

 
 By: rnaden : October 28th, 2014-03:08
I don't think case size has anything to do with it - when I first got attracted to Panerai, it was because the dials were the cleanest and most legible, and it still is. Case size and crown protectors aside, to me, I identify that to Panerai. I no longer ... 

I feel the novelty is wearing off because there hasn't been enough new design

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : October 28th, 2014-09:59
You can only do so much every year when all you do is come out with different hands, dials, and case materials. Yes Panerai has come out with new in-house movements but every brand is doing this too. I'm just speaking in terms of the outer cosmetics of th... 

The main reason why I like Panerai... Beverly Hills boutique.

 
 By: patrick_y : November 2nd, 2014-13:52
Besides the cool design Panerai watches possess, the main reason why I like Panerai watches is the people. Specifically the people who work at the Panerai Beverly Hills boutique (just great generous happy people) and most of the cool individuals who wear ... 

Something new would be great

 
 By: Stefan2 : November 21st, 2014-21:11
I still my love my classic PAMs, but yes, I would wholeheartedly agree that something truly new needs to come out. For example, I would love to see a brand new case design offering, which I think would be fitting as an addition to the line-up.